[coxxy]

Hey Paul - Top Geeza
Dont beat yourself up about the infringement mate those that know you appreciate how little you know about the technical stuff - apart from your riding of course! There are others that it could have happened to too but what is more important is that you are ok after your major crash at Paddock? If we can help with any repair stuff let us know.
Coxxy and co

[MonkeyBoy]

"For an engine to be considered standard the 'second air reed valve' and the plastic vent cover need to be in place. You can block off these covers or the tube connecting to them but they must be present."

Can anyone help me clarify the above? Is this refering to the inlets for the PAIR system?

Thanks

:-)

[Mike Edwards]

MonkeyBoy, on 31 July 2010 - 08:54 PM, said:

"For an engine to be considered standard the 'second air reed valve' and the plastic vent cover need to be in place. You can block off these covers or the tube connecting to them but they must be present."

Can anyone help me clarify the above? Is this refering to the inlets for the PAIR system?

Technically speaking it's the outlets for the PAIR system but essentially refers the the black plastic housings that are on the engine side of the PAIR system.

[MonkeyBoy]

Nice one, Thanks for that Mike. :-)

[coxxy]

this link gives you a fairly accurate view but its shown on an SV1000:
http://rj45.org/sv1k/faq/pair.htm

[BornAgainBiker]

It’s clear that the issue of whether people are cheating or not, is topical and interesting, the real point is that those that “might” be cheating will know who they are, and generally those people don’t give a **** about anyone’s opinion, otherwise they wouldn’t do it. There are a lot of issues here, most have been discussed at length, and a lot of inconsistent replies and attempts to deal with the problems at hand, technical inspections will only pick up the “obvious” errors in the bikes setup, those same inspections will never pick up the real infringements in the rules, because most if not all of the ones that give an advantage will be hidden away in the fabric of the engine, frame, gearbox etc… and time will not allow those checks to be made thoroughly.
The main reason for “cheating” is to give some performance advantage, as I see it the grid formation during the year has changed pretty much every race… some riders may appear to have “an advantage” because they are “always” at the front, but I don’t think there has been one rider who has been at the front all year long, some get close, but…
Some riders who may have been seen to have an advantage by progressing through the field and ending up first may just be picking up their game and doing well, that’s what you would expect through the season, as you get better you get quicker, if others don’t learn as quick then they appear to fall behind.. that’s no reflection on their riding or their ability just “life” and racing.
I know from my own experience that practise makes perfect, and each time I ride I get a little better at some things… and a little quicker… does that mean I am cheating?

Basically, those that are cheating are only cheating themselves, those that have been penalised for infringements (and probably didn’t know they were!) have learnt a lesson, and it’s a shame that all bikes in the class were not checked thoroughly at the beginning of the season by “the organisers” rather than wait until the final rounds to pick all this up, and causing untold grief and stress to all… but life goes on.

One minor gripe is that when checks were done and parts found to be missing, to then be told from the technical inspectors themselves that to block them off after fitting the pieces would be ok!!! So cheating is allowed, just keep it out of sight!

Let’s get some racing done…. And stop arguing, makes for a very bad meeting atmosphere!

[Mr FFF]

In my experience most of the cheating goes on at the back of the grid in an effort to make up some ground. You have to behind these checks to keep the class clean. If you have nothing to hide then there is no problem. I remember a Snett meeting where they kept a few bike Inc mine overnight. No problem. Except I was illegal. Doh. A little mod I thought would help. It did. It helped me get a ticking off. Didn't make it go any better I might add.

[Robw]

So what happens when a later injected engine is fitted to a carby?
From memory you cant fit the injected rocker covers with the clean air reeds, so you have to blank off the clean air, essentially what you are saying is against the rules!?

Apart from cos you say so mike, what is the reason for this ruling? as its makes absolutely no difference to power or how the bike runs at all and there's very little in the way of weight saving. Depending on market this system can change as well so not everyone's could be the same!

[Oli]

BornAgainBiker, on 02 August 2010 - 11:51 AM, said:

Basically, those that are cheating are only cheating themselves

Sadly that is not true. They are cheating their competitors, the spectators, the organisers and the club as a whole.

Oli

[Mike Edwards]

Robw, on 03 August 2010 - 01:11 PM, said:

So what happens when a later injected engine is fitted to a carby?
From memory you cant fit the injected rocker covers with the clean air reeds, so you have to blank off the clean air, essentially what you are saying is against the rules!?

The injected rocker covers fit fine as far as I recall but fitting the carby rocker covers is perfectly within the rules so there isn't really a problem is there?

Robw, on 03 August 2010 - 01:11 PM, said:

Apart from cos you say so mike, what is the reason for this ruling? as its makes absolutely no difference to power or how the bike runs at all and there's very little in the way of weight saving. Depending on market this system can change as well so not everyone's could be the same!

All depends on what constitutes standard doesn't it really. We have opted to define what parts we consider to make up the engine. We could insist on the PAIR system be retained but there seemed little point in that.

A great number of the rules do not make a difference to power or weight saving but they are there to make it easier to police and to ensure that everyone has the opportunity to run similar spec. bikes across the grid.

[rg_gammaman]

To be honest the first paragraph of the Minitwins rules just about sums it up.

"All items not mentioned in the following articles must remain as originally produced by the manufacturer for the homologated machine. Everything that is not authorised and prescribed in theses rules is strictly forbidden"